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Holy Qur'an and Genetics
From: Mustapha Kareem [removed]
Subject: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
View complete thread (11 articles)
Date: 1999/07/10

Salaam,

I came across an article over the internet, and since it said it is free to
distribute, I thought I'd share it with all of you.
========================================
Muslim Scientist Profiles: Dr. Ahmad Khan
by Sameer Chouwadhary

 Upon arriving at Dr. Ahmad Khan's laboratory, I can tell from the
boisterous way he says salaam that it is not going to be a typical
interview.  Dr. Khan, to say the least, is glowingly euphoric, and he seems
to be consciously trying to lower the level of excitement in his voice.

 By all accounts this is the same Dr. Khan known to his geneticist
colleagues as soft-spoken and shy- given to a calm, straight-faced demeanor.
As he offers me some piping hot chai, and bades me strenuously with his
hands to sit within his office chambers, I begin to wonder if in fact I had
heard correctly what he, to my utter consternation, had thought brought me
to see him. Dr. Khan begins to tell me that he had not only found evidence
of the Holy Qur'an's authorship, but, in fact, the authorship of mankind.

 Little did I know before walking into the sleek mirrored-face "GenLab" on
the campus of the University of New Mexico, that on the fifth floor I would
find a scientist, who by the sheer scope of his findings may very well end
up as familiar a name as a Galileo, Newton, or Einstein.  I thought quite
simply that I was going to be interviewing Dr. Khan about his book in
development, which I was told previously was to be a synthesis of genetics
and Islam.  I figure, hey, a little about the morality of cloning here,
another little bit about genetic engineering there, and badaboom badabang- a
simple little volume which puts genetics in its proper perspective.  My
expectations exponentially surpassed, I ask my first question with my mouth
agape - "You're kidding?  Right?"

 "Nehi!  Subhan Allah!  Nehi!"  He laughs, the largest conceivable grin on
his face, as he brushes aside a few of the sundry piles of papers clogging
his pigsty of a desk.  I cast a glance at the wall behind his desk, bare
save for a framed ayat-ul-kursi and a family portrait of his former
beardless self along with his wife Nur, and their two small children.  I don
't find any evidence of the ostentation one might expect from some one who
graduated summa cum laude from Duke University.  I distinctly get the
impression that despite his status as a young (31 years of age) and up and
coming geneticist, that his love remains solely for Allah and his research.
Diplomas and awards are nothing more than clumps of paper to him.

 My list of questions made irrelevant by Dr. Khan's revelation, I begin to
try to ascertain what exactly he had discovered and how, asking him just to
divulge a little of his research and how he had come about it.

   "For a few years now I have mused during my Ph.D. training that there was
the possibility for information other than that for the construction of
polypeptides to be encoded by individual codons or nucleotides of DNA.  But
it was only after a Jum'ah khutbah where I heard the Imam mention a verse in
the Holy Qur'an where I put two and two together."

 Ahmad, as  I now call him, rises up from his seat and reaches to the top of
the massive bookshelf to the left of his desk, grasping hold of the Qur'an,
by its looks very worn.  An interesting combination I think to myself- a lab
coat and a white kufi.  But I have little more time for such musings on the
fashions of the day, as he kisses the Qur'an and opens it to his selected
verses.

 "Audhu billahi min ash-shaytan ir-rajeem. Bismillah Ir-Rahman Ir-Raheem.
Sanureehim ayatinaa filafaaqi wafi anfusihim Hatta yatabayyana lahum annahu
ul-Haqq, awalam yakfi birabbika annahu 'ala kulli shayiin shaheedoon."  He
pauses for a breath, and his index finger moves over to the English text:
"Soon will We show them Our Signs in the furthest regions of the earth, and
in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the
Truth.  Is it not enough that your Lord witnesses all things?"

 "Which Sura is that?"  "It is from the forty-first Sura, Fussilat, the
fifty-third ayat."  "Shukriyya, go on..."

 "You may have heard of a study by a non-Muslim scientist by the name of
Keith Moore?"  "Yes, but if you could refresh my memory..."

 "Quite simply Keith Moore is the world authority on embryology, and after
having read the Holy Qur'an he came to see that there was a remarkable
correspondence of the Qur'an's description of embryos with the descriptions
of modern science.  So we can see from this that indeed the Holy Qur'an has
shown us a sign in our own souls, our own selves, by relating information
that due to its microscopic nature could not have been known fourteen
hundred years ago."

 "What I've come to realize is that the Holy Qur'an has many levels of
meaning, some of which are known only to Allah subhana wa t'ala himself.
But what I recognized is that if we look at the Arabic, the ayat in question
uses the same word for Qur'anic verses- 'ayaat.'  And it says as you read
along, that those same verses are 'fi anfusihim'- are in themselves- in the
human beings.  Coming as I do from the specialty of genetics, I realized
that the verses of the Qur'an could indeed be within each human being- coded
within our DNA."

 "But aren't you just speculating that the meaning of the ayat is that ayaat
>from the Qur'an appear in some form or another within the genome?"

 "Yes, at first....At first it was speculation, but then I began to piece
together more indications that there was a possibility that verses of the
Holy Qur'an could be a part of the genome.  What you must realize is that
much of the DNA in our genome doesn't code for the production of proteins at
all.  The non-coding regions- introns- are often called junk DNA.  Mashaa
Allah.  As it turns out, it is the farthest possible thing from junk, it is
the words of our Creator, a great sign that it was Allah who gave us the
breath of life."

 "So how did you test your hypothesis, and who else have you consulted?"

 "GenLab had a government grant to study the genetic roots of intelligence,
and at the time this idea struck me, we were focusing on mapping the central
region of chromosome 19.  I talked with my younger brother, 'Imran, who is a
systems analyst, and consulted with him about developing a way to see if any
Qur'anic ayat could be found within the intron regions of chromosome 19 that
had been mapped."

 "It was quite a project, because we had to figure out what Arabic letter
each different possible codon stood for, by iterating each possible coding
system through the introns and seeing if any of those combinations resulted
in ayaat from the Holy Qur'an."

 "January 2nd, 1999.  Two o'clock in the morning we found our first ayaat.
Alhamdullilah!  Audhu billahi min ash-shaytan ir-rajeem.  Bismillah Ir
Rahman Ir Raheem.  Iqra bismi rabbika ladhi khalaq.  Read in the name of
your Lord who created!  Region p38q!"

 "The first ayat revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, Sal Allahu Alaihi wa
Salaam!?"

 "Yes, I was just as astonished as you are now.  But the thing is, with each
ayat we found, finding the next ayat came faster and faster, as we began to
compile the full coding system.  After that it has been a breeze.  Our only
trouble with finding more ayat has been that not enough of the genome has
been mapped by geneticists to be searched.  So far we only have found 1/10
of the Qur'an."

 "Although we obviously want to make our findings known to the greater
Muslim- greater world in general, we are taking precautions to make sure our
heads are screwed on right...you can never be too careful.  In the past few
weeks I've been talking with individual Muslim scientists, just so I could
get some feedback, and make sure that our findings are ready to be published
come next fall."

 "But I am confident that we've found a phenomenon of great interest, such
that I am willing to put my entire career on the line.  I've revealed my
findings to my fellow geneticists here at GenLab, and believe me- this has
been the first time I've found Martin or Clive [two of his co-workers] even
willing to discuss religion or Islam.  I've also written to two non-Muslim
skeptics inviting them to analyze my findings: Dan Larhammar of Uppsala
University in Sweden, and Aris Dreismann at the Technical University of
Berlin.  I doubt they'll remain skeptical for long..."

 "There is such a tremendous amount of data that we're going to have to be
analyzing it over the next few months, but I hope to create both a book for
popular consumption as well as submit an abstract to Science very shortly."

 "I'm speechless!  Subhan Allah!  But can you show me some of the verses you
've found?"

 Just then I find out what some of the sheets of paper are on his desk.  He
hands two sheets to me, one covered with four roman letters, T, C, G, and A,
sprawling across the sheet, separated in columns of three letters.  The
other in Arabic script is clear as day- after many 'lam's, and a couple of
random 'ayn's and 'qafs' I see what looks like a sentence.  I ask him the
meaning.

 "From Sura al baqarah, the sixth ayat.  In English it says: 'As to those
who reject faith, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not
warn them; they will not believe.'"

 "The other page is a listing of the actual sequence of nucleotides, of
which there are four types.  Every three code for an Arabic letter."  He
pulls out a laminated table, with Thymine, Adenine, Cytosine, and Guanine
written vertically for the first nucleotide, then horizontally across the
top for the second, and horizontally again for the third."

 "Instead of amino acids, as you can see from this table there are two
codons for every Arabic letter, as well as for the ta' marbuta and hamza.
There is also a code for the end of each ayat, just like there would be
codons which would stop gene transcription."

 "Subhan Allah.  I just feel so blessed to find such a miracle at such a
young age- I can only marvel at what else we might find inshaa Allah, you
know..  I can only hope that within our lifetimes other Muslim scientists
find out the meaning of the other 'ayaat' in nature that Allah makes
reference to."

 "Would you happen to have any last words for our readers?"

 "I just hope that after the publication of my book 'The Holy Qur'an and
Genetics' that Muslims begin to better understand how Allah has made Islam a
complete way of life.  We cannot compartmentalize our religion, keeping
Islam out of our politics, education, arts, and sciences without grave
detriment to ourselves, and loss of the true meaning of the Final Revelation
to the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace."

 "I also hope that non-Muslims see that there is no need for the
controversies between religion and science, although no doubt some of them
will ignore the evidence even if it is right before their very eyes."

 I take one last sip of my chai, looking intently at Dr. Khan's dark brown
eyes and olive complexion, knowing full well, that inshaa Allah I am looking
at the face of the Ummah's future.
 

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Copyright 1999.  Sameer Chouwadhary.

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From: Brother Joe [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/11

Assalamu alaykum brother Mustapha,

In article [removed] Kareem" [removed] wrote:
> Salaam,
>
> I came across an article over the internet, and since it said it is free to
> distribute, I thought I'd share it with all of you.
> ========================================
> Muslim Scientist Profiles: Dr. Ahmad Khan
> by Sameer Chouwadhary

May God bless your soul for this very valuable information and article.
I personally will be, Gw, looking forward for the development of this
blessed project of Dr. Ahmad Khan. On the other hand, if you get any
news, please let us know.

Keep the faith brother,

Peace, brother Joe.


From: Mustapha Kareem [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/13

Jazzak Allah Khayr Brother Joe,

Inshaa Allah if I find any more ways that Allah can take our breaths away,
and leave kufar like KATZ fuming, I'll be sure to try to post it on S.R.I.

And as the Qur'an is the pinacle miracle, there will be plenty more miracles
upon miracles to come, if that is Allah's will.


From: Jochen Katz [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/13

In article [removed]
"Mustapha Kareem" [removed] writes:

>  "You may have heard of a study by a non-Muslim scientist by the name of
> Keith Moore?"  "Yes, but if you could refresh my memory..."
>
>  "Quite simply Keith Moore is the world authority on embryology, and after
> having read the Holy Qur'an he came to see that there was a remarkable
> correspondence of the Qur'an's description of embryos with the descriptions
> of modern science.  So we can see from this that indeed the Holy Qur'an has
> shown us a sign in our own souls, our own selves, by relating information
> that due to its microscopic nature could not have been known fourteen
> hundred years ago."

Correction, Keith Moore has retired quite a number of years ago.
He was one of the quite well known embryologists, that is true,
but who conferred on him the title of "THE world authority on
embryology"? There are few fields in science today where one
man is considered the leading authority in the whole field.
There is undisputed leading authority in quantum physics,
or in algebraic topology. There is everywhere a group of
leading scientists, and I assume the same holds in embryology.
And in any case, Keith Moore is no longer active in front line
research as far as I know.

However, back to the Embryology and the Qur'an issue, his paper
has been responded to years ago, and no Muslim has ever seriously
challenged the evidence presented there. We will have a revision
with a lot of new facts and findings later this week, but for
now, the old edition is already devastating to the claim of
an embryological miracle in the Qur'an. Here is the text of
it:  http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html

The statements of the Qur'an are basically the same as those
found in Galen, who wrote over 300 years before Muhammad and
whose books were the standard "text books" on the issue.

Jochen Katz


From: Mustapha Kareem [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/13

Those who have covers on their hearts will not believe.

Even when Dr. Khan publishes his book, we will see Jochen Katz deny the
"clear evidence" the Qur'an talks about.

He has the verses in front of him, yet he will make up stories about dead
Greeks so as to deny the obvious.

Clearly Mu'min ought not to listen to such, as his only goal to bring us
with him into shirk and perdition.

Please ignore whatever Jochen Katz has to say, Allah is sufficient for
believers.

As salaamu Alaykum,

Mustapha Kareem


From: Brother Joe [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/13

Peace,

In article [removed]
  [removed] (Jochen Katz) wrote:

> In article [removed]
> "Mustapha Kareem" [removed] [removed]
>
> >  "You may have heard of a study by a non-Muslim scientist by the name of
> > Keith Moore?"  "Yes, but if you could refresh my memory..."
> >
> >  "Quite simply Keith Moore is the world authority on embryology, and after
> > having read the Holy Qur'an he came to see that there was a remarkable
> > correspondence of the Qur'an's description of embryos with the descriptions
> > of modern science.  So we can see from this that indeed the Holy Qur'an has
> > shown us a sign in our own souls, our own selves, by relating information
> > that due to its microscopic nature could not have been known fourteen
> > hundred years ago."
> Correction, Keith Moore has retired quite a number of years ago.
> He was one of the quite well known embryologists, that is true,

Jochen, in case you did not read the whole article, it is NOT about
Keith Moore and his studies in embryology confirming quranic truths in
this matter. The article is an interview with Dr.Ahmad Khan, a
brother Muslim genetist. In an ongoing researchs, he have discovered
starting Jnuary 1999, that the Arabic Quran is written TEXTUALLY in
every human DNA, including yours. Whether you accept this fact or not is
irrelevant.

41:53, "We will show them our signs in the horizons, and
WITHIN THEMSELVES until they realize that this is the truth. Is your
Lord not sufficient that He witnesses all things?"

This is the aya Brother Dr.Ahmad Khan uses LITTERALLY to find out that
Quranic ayat are indeed TEXTUALLY WRITTEN within each and every one of
us in our DNA. That's means that each and every one of the billions
cells in the human cells has a WRITTEN copy of Quran in all humans in
this earth.

Peace, brother Joe.


From: Jochen Katz [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
View complete thread (11 articles)
Date: 1999/07/13
 
In article [removed]
Brother Joe [removed] writes:

> Jochen, in case you did not read the whole article,

I read it very carefully.

> it is NOT about
> Keith Moore and his studies in embryology confirming quranic truths in
> this matter.

It made reference to it, and I responded to this reference.

> The article is an interview with Dr.Ahmad Khan, a
> brother Muslim genetist. In an ongoing researchs, he have discovered
> starting Jnuary 1999, that the Arabic Quran is written TEXTUALLY in
> every human DNA, including yours. Whether you accept this fact or not is
> irrelevant.

Well, we have not seen even one example of these findings in
the posting. We have only seen claims.

I pointed a friend of mine to the text, and asked him what he
thinks of it, since he has previously debunked similar nonsense
and his response was:

   I think it is quite impossible that it will get into a
   "respectable scientific publication", because they won't
   be able to actually produce any evidence.  I may be wrong.
   Meanwhile, the claims are simply too vague to answer.

That is the reason I only responded to what is actually
known and well researched, the Moore embryology hoax.
For the other thing, we first need some data before we
can evaluate it. The interview did not provide any
such data. In fact,

In article [removed]
"Mustapha Kareem" [removed] writes:

> Dr. Ahmad Khan .... University of New Mexico ...

Going to the University of New Mexico search page, at

   http://www.unm.edu/search.html

and searching for "Ahmad Khan" leads to no result. Searching
for Khan give three Khans but none with name Ahmad. If he
is indeed a researcher at that university, then he is one
of the very few who is not in the database of fakulty,
staff and students. Maybe he doesn't even exist and the
whole thing is a hoax like so many others:

  http://answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/

> This is the aya Brother Dr.Ahmad Khan uses LITTERALLY to find out that
> Quranic ayat are indeed TEXTUALLY WRITTEN within each and every one of
> us in our DNA. That's means that each and every one of the billions
> cells in the human cells has a WRITTEN copy of Quran in all humans in
> this earth.

And you obviously believe this before you have seen any evidence
for it.

Furthermore, the article only claims they have found 10% of the
Qur'an, but in your mind it is already the whole thing. You
obviously already know more than Dr. Ahmad Khan, if he exists.

I would advise to be more cautious or you will make lot
of hype and in the end everything will implode with great
embarrassment. But obviously, you don't have to take that
advise.

Jochen Katz


From: oving [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/13
 
Brother Joe heeft geschreven in bericht [removed]

>This is the aya Brother Dr.Ahmad Khan uses LITTERALLY to find out that
>Quranic ayat are indeed TEXTUALLY WRITTEN within each and every one of
>us in our DNA. That's means that each and every one of the billions
>cells in the human cells has a WRITTEN copy of Quran in all humans in
>this earth.

Now tell me, on a scientific basis please, for instance with the graph on
the following link:

http://esg-www.mit.edu:8001/esgbio/lm/nucleicacids/dna.html

Where is any line of Quran written in the DNA structure?
Where is the 'textually written' ayat?

Give some evidence, real evidence.
Otherwise it looks like Muhammad was supposed to be illiterate instead of
his followers being fictionwriters.

Peace,
Oving.


From: Jochen Katz [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/17
 
In article [removed]
Brother Joe [removed] writes:

> The article is an interview with Dr.Ahmad Khan, a
> brother Muslim genetist. In an ongoing researchs, he have discovered
> starting Jnuary 1999, that the Arabic Quran is written TEXTUALLY in
> every human DNA, including yours. Whether you accept this fact or not is
> irrelevant.

It is not a fact yet.

Fact is that the DNA alphabet has four "letters" and the Arabic
alphabet has 28 if I remmeber right, but in any case far above
twenty.

Now, the first question those researchers have to tell us, how
they decided to match those four DNA letters to the Arabic letters.

I can imagine that there are many many ways to do that, and when
you have enough room to play, then you can make appear just
about everything you desire.

That is the reason for most of the "mathematical miracles"
in both Bible and Qur'an as you can see at

  http://www.math.gatech.edu/~jkatz/Religions/Numerics/

> 41:53, "We will show them our signs in the horizons, and
> WITHIN THEMSELVES until they realize that this is the truth. Is your
> Lord not sufficient that He witnesses all things?"
>
> This is the aya Brother Dr.Ahmad Khan uses LITTERALLY to find out that
> Quranic ayat are indeed TEXTUALLY WRITTEN within each and every one of
> us in our DNA. That's means that each and every one of the billions
> cells in the human cells has a WRITTEN copy of Quran in all humans in
> this earth.

Now, I am wondering, what if we find some variant readings in our
DNA, things that are not matched exactly in the Qur'an. Will Muslims
then accept the DNA reading as the authentic one, and the manuscripts
were probably corrupted or what will Muslims conclude?

Also, what if we find some Bible verses about the deity of Jesus,
about his crucifixion and resurrection in the DNA? Will you then
believe?

If not, what is the worth of those DNA to determine truth?

Jochen Katz


From: Brother Joe [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/19
 
Peace,

I have checked out this information myself. It is not true. It was a
made up by the one who posted here in SRI in the first place. He did it
under the name of "Mustapha Kareem". May God forgive my shorthcoming.
This reminds me David's story when he rules in favor of one of the
parties without listening to the second involved party. I think he did
so because he thought that the evidence of one party was so overwhelming
that he does not need to listen to the evidence of the other party.

38:21, "And has there come to you the story of the litigants, when they
made an entry into the private chamber by ascending over the walls?"

38:22, "When they entered the presence of David, and he was terrified of
them, they said: "Fear not: we are two disputants, one of whom has
wronged the other: Decide now between us with truth, and treat us not
with injustice, but guide us to the even Path.."

38:23, "'This man is my brother: He has nine and ninety ewes, and I have
(but) one: Yet he says, 'commit her to my care,' and is (moreover) harsh
to me in speech."'

38:24, "(David) said: "He has undoubtedly wronged you in demanding
your(single) ewe to be added to his (flock of) ewes: truly many are the
partners (in business) who wrong each other: Not so do those who believe
and work deeds of righteousness, and how few are they?"...and David
gathered that We had tried him: he asked forgiveness of his Lord,fell
down, bowing (in prostration), and turned (to Allah in repentance)."

38:25, "So We forgave him this (lapse): he enjoyed, indeed, a Near
Approach to Us, and a beautiful place of (Final) Return."

I am but a fallible human being who could err at any time. I ask the
Almighty God for His protection and guidance.

I hope it will serve as a lesson for all of us, Muslims and non Muslims
alike.

Peace, Joe.


From: Saqib Virk [removed]
Subject: Re: The Holy Qur'an and Genetics
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Date: 1999/07/29
 
[Re-sending. Article accepted but never appeared on SRI ]

In article [removed]
  [removed] (Jochen Katz) wrote:

JOE
>> The article is an interview with Dr.Ahmad Khan, a
>> brother Muslim genetist. In an ongoing researchs, he have
>> discovered starting Jnuary 1999, that the Arabic Quran is
>> written TEXTUALLY in every human DNA, including yours.
>> Whether you accept this fact or not is irrelevant.

JK
> It is not a fact yet.

SV
By "yet" are you leaving open the possiblity that it could be
fact? Well, in this case I doubt you have reason to worry.
The story appears to be a slight twist of one that appeared
in the June 1999 issue of "Issac Asimov's Science Fiction
Magazine". The story, "Written in Blood" (I have not read it)
was apparently about a Muslim doctor who uses some sort of
microbe or virus to write the Quran on to an unused part
of the human DNA.

> Now, I am wondering, what if we find some variant readings
> in our DNA, things that are not matched exactly in the
> Qur'an. Will Muslims then accept the DNA reading as the
> authentic one, and the manuscripts were probably corrupted
> or what will Muslims conclude?

We will conclude that the microbe made some mistakes.

> Also, what if we find some Bible verses about the deity of
> Jesus, about his crucifixion and resurrection in the DNA?

We would declare it blashphemous DNA and issue fatwas against
it.

--
Wasalaam,
Saqib Virk [removed][removed][removed][removed][removed]


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